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	<title>Comments on: Are you [sic] of grammar?</title>
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		<title>By: Simo Ahava</title>
		<link>http://www.betterthanslicedbread.info/articles/academic/are-you-sic-of-grammar/comment-page-1/#comment-1917</link>
		<dc:creator>Simo Ahava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taneli, you&#039;re right, of course, and I know you&#039;re speaking from personal experience as a teacher. However, I&#039;m sure you also know of the terrible performance skills (language performance that is) of the majority of English teachers in Finland, either in basic education or in academic and polytechnic institutions? That goes for most of the people who, for example, apply to study English at the University. Based on their total lack of oral skills in the language, it really makes you wonder if they could have spent their time in English class a bit better. 

I&#039;m sure they all write well; they&#039;d have to, considering they&#039;ve aced whatever exams they&#039;ve faced on their path to their current positions as students or teachers. But what I was advocating in my original post was a more performance-concentrated teaching plan. Grammar can be taught in so many ways, and even the standard grammar, which, as you astutely pointed out, is a necessary component of English language learning, can be taught in a meaningful way. In fact, I&#039;m pretty sure that with the amount of immersion in English and Anglo-American culture these days, learning the core standard grammar of English in the first years of schooling is almost universal. What this means is that teachers and schools should use the rest of the time to focus on authentic language teaching, immersing the students into the culture that the language is a big part of. 

I&#039;m aware of the shortness of resources in Finnish schools, but that&#039;s never an excuse not to make improvements. One thing that I would really like to see come to fruition is an oral examination in the matriculation exam. Also, interviews for University applicants and some stricter requirements for teacher applicants. A teacher who is sloppy in his/her language use is in danger of contaminating hundreds of children with second-grade English that is culturally significant only in a very limited, non-native speakers&#039; sphere of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taneli, you&#8217;re right, of course, and I know you&#8217;re speaking from personal experience as a teacher. However, I&#8217;m sure you also know of the terrible performance skills (language performance that is) of the majority of English teachers in Finland, either in basic education or in academic and polytechnic institutions? That goes for most of the people who, for example, apply to study English at the University. Based on their total lack of oral skills in the language, it really makes you wonder if they could have spent their time in English class a bit better. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure they all write well; they&#8217;d have to, considering they&#8217;ve aced whatever exams they&#8217;ve faced on their path to their current positions as students or teachers. But what I was advocating in my original post was a more performance-concentrated teaching plan. Grammar can be taught in so many ways, and even the standard grammar, which, as you astutely pointed out, is a necessary component of English language learning, can be taught in a meaningful way. In fact, I&#8217;m pretty sure that with the amount of immersion in English and Anglo-American culture these days, learning the core standard grammar of English in the first years of schooling is almost universal. What this means is that teachers and schools should use the rest of the time to focus on authentic language teaching, immersing the students into the culture that the language is a big part of. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m aware of the shortness of resources in Finnish schools, but that&#8217;s never an excuse not to make improvements. One thing that I would really like to see come to fruition is an oral examination in the matriculation exam. Also, interviews for University applicants and some stricter requirements for teacher applicants. A teacher who is sloppy in his/her language use is in danger of contaminating hundreds of children with second-grade English that is culturally significant only in a very limited, non-native speakers&#8217; sphere of society.</p>
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		<title>By: Taneli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taneli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All very true, but let&#039;s say you have have a bunch of nine-year-old Finns you have to teach English to. How are they supposed to learn it? What you&#039;re saying is screw grammar, okay that&#039;s fine, but what are we supposed teach them. We can&#039;t fly them all to an English-speaking country. We have to make do with what we&#039;ve got, and what we&#039;ve got is a group of underpaid, poorly motivated, non-native teachers who have to make some pretty tough decisions. If they don&#039;t go with the standard, they&#039;ll just have to go with another set of arbitrary rules. Kids only handle black and white, not shades of grey. As a teacher, you can say &#039;this is good&#039; or &#039;this is bad&#039;. If you go &#039;well I wouldn&#039;t say that&#039; or &#039;well you know that&#039;s perfectly correct in South African English&#039; or even &#039;wait a minute let me check that with a native&#039; they&#039;ll look at you all weird and start throwing stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All very true, but let&#8217;s say you have have a bunch of nine-year-old Finns you have to teach English to. How are they supposed to learn it? What you&#8217;re saying is screw grammar, okay that&#8217;s fine, but what are we supposed teach them. We can&#8217;t fly them all to an English-speaking country. We have to make do with what we&#8217;ve got, and what we&#8217;ve got is a group of underpaid, poorly motivated, non-native teachers who have to make some pretty tough decisions. If they don&#8217;t go with the standard, they&#8217;ll just have to go with another set of arbitrary rules. Kids only handle black and white, not shades of grey. As a teacher, you can say &#8216;this is good&#8217; or &#8216;this is bad&#8217;. If you go &#8216;well I wouldn&#8217;t say that&#8217; or &#8216;well you know that&#8217;s perfectly correct in South African English&#8217; or even &#8216;wait a minute let me check that with a native&#8217; they&#8217;ll look at you all weird and start throwing stuff.</p>
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